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Jim Shorney
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 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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Robert E. Watts wrote:
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*THAT* is bordering on insolence......... As Dr. Jim has often reminded me,
I'm not allowed to use K Tech here. Have to whip one up using the bones and
knives available here......
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Stone knives and bearskins?
Related to the topic, this just recently (as in, two days ago) surfaced
on the net:
http://www.k9ew.us/ba_ship.htm
-Jim
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Robert E. Watts
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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"Jim Shorney" <jshorney@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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Stone knives and bearskins?
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Oh...so now I'm *allowed* to use the higher tech stuff ? ! ¿
Great, I could have had this done a loooong time ago. Sh*t.
I'm on it.
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James Hall
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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Jim Shorney wrote:
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Damn, I forgot about that. Good writing. I must find out who really
does my stuff for me. :-)
Related to the topic, this just recently (as in, two days ago) surfaced
on the net:
http://www.k9ew.us/ba_ship.htm
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Hmmm, they've stolen idea this from CT
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James Hall
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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James Hall wrote:
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Jim Shorney wrote:
Damn, I forgot about that. Good writing. I must find out who really
does my stuff for me. :-)
Related to the topic, this just recently (as in, two days ago)
surfaced on the net:
http://www.k9ew.us/ba_ship.htm
-Jim
Hmmm, they've stolen idea this from CT
Wow! What was I typing? |
They've stolen the packing concept from CT.
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Jim Shorney
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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James Hall wrote:
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Hmmm, they've stolen idea this from CT
Wow! What was I typing?
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Thought for a moment there that you were Yoda....
-Jim
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Jim Shorney
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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Robert E. Watts wrote:
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"Jim Shorney" <jshorney@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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Stone knives and bearskins?
Oh...so now I'm *allowed* to use the higher tech stuff ? ! ¿
Great, I could have had this done a loooong time ago. Sh*t.
I'm on it.
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Try not to blow up anything *too* big.
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James Hall
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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Thought for a moment there that you were Yoda....
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No. that's my car - Yoda the Toyota
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Jim Shorney
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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No. that's my car - Yoda the Toyota
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A Toyoda... Heh....
-Jim ('87 Camry)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Humble Pie |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:59:29 UTC, James Hall <jhall@nycap.rr.com>
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Jim Shorney wrote:
Thought for a moment there that you were Yoda....
-Jim
No. that's my car - Yoda the Toyota
Yoda's Toyotas is having a big end of model year sale. He had to do |
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William R. Walsh
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Auction: IBM PS/2 8580-111 Server w/ REPLY 100Mhz 24MB T |
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Hi!
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So what are the rare items to look for then?
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All this time later... (what can I say? how about "I thought about it for a
while"  )
Basically anything that you don't see regularly. Token Ring network cards
are not rare. (A running TR network might be.) IBM MCA SCSI controllers are
for the most part not rare. Anything that adds computing power or speed is
usually worth picking up--MCMaster boards, replacement CPUs, various and
sundry disk controllers, etc... The same is also true of video, sound and
some communications boards, such as Ethernet cards. (Token Ring was the
networking technology you were "supposed to" buy, but even IBM had a few
Microchannel Evilnet boards for sale.)
If you've got the room, whole systems are always nice. I like a good PS/2
project, although I haven't really started a new one in a while now. The
satisfaction of bringing a dead forgotten thing to life is (for me) immense.
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Mostly I collect stuff that interests me
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That's definitely my focus as well. (You'd have to offer me some absolutely
silly amount of money, and even then I'd really have to think about it.) I
pick up the things that interest me, including Token Ring cards (because I
do have a working TR network!).
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Prices for computer gear seem to be going crazy for some reason,
surprises me what some people pay for items I get for free or close
to it.
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Nostalgia can be a powerful thing...that's about as close as I can come to
explaining why the prices are like they are for some of these things.
Perhaps the people that buy them want to have the computer they had years
ago, the one that disappeared in some strange way (because it broke, was
sold, didn't survive a move, etc) or that they could only dream of having
when it was new. I definitely prefer the cheaper approach, but I'll think
about going further if I simply must have what's being offered.
William |
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TeoZ
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Auction: IBM PS/2 8580-111 Server w/ REPLY 100Mhz 24MB T |
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"William R. Walsh" <newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.com>
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That's definitely my focus as well. (You'd have to offer me some
absolutely
silly amount of money, and even then I'd really have to think about it.) I
pick up the things that interest me, including Token Ring cards (because I
do have a working TR network!).
William
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How do you go about setting up a TR network?
I have some TR MCA cards (rj45 with red plastics, Kingston?), some older TR
cards with the 9 pin port, and some old Mac Nubus TR cards with the same 9
pin ports. I also have a MUI 8 port TR hub.
I want to make adapters so I can convert the 9 pin to Cat5 cable (any wiring
diagrams for this), also wondering if I need a server or does peer to peer
work like with ethernet. All the cards are 16/4. I also have a 16/4 card for
my HP 4si printer that would be cool to use.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Auction: IBM PS/2 8580-111 Server w/ REPLY 100Mhz 24MB T |
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On Jul 11, 12:36 am, "TeoZ" <t...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
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I want to make adapters so I can convert the 9 pin to Cat5 cable (any wiring
diagrams for this), also wondering if I need a server or does peer to peer
work like with ethernet. All the cards are 16/4. I also have a 16/4 card for
my HP 4si printer that would be cool to use.
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IBM made RJ45-to-DB9 adapter cables, the 6-inch stubby is part number
60G1066. You can also pick up 6-foot RJ45-to-ICS cables, part number
60G1063. You'll probably use something as a bridge/router between
your Ethernet and Token-Ring networks, an IBM 8209/8229 is ideal for
this job, but if you only care about passing TCP/IP packets, any old
PC with an Ethernet and Token-Ring adapter with packet forwarding
enabled will do the trick. The bridge/router will set the ring speed
(16 since you have no 4-only adapters to deal with), all of the other
Token-Ring stations can use autosense for the ring speed, or set them
to 16 as well. No server is required, peer-to-peer works quite well.
Note that the Token-Ring RJ45 is not CAT-5, don't mix your Ethernet
and Token-Ring ports (I use only IBM 8228 MAUs to help avoid any
confusion, but a good color-coding or labeling scheme would also
work). You can connect ICS-to-ICS jumpers together to make any length
you need for your configuration, standard lengths are 8, 30 and 75
feet. You'll also want to jumper the Ring In on your MAU to Ring Out,
that provides the "back ring" for reliability. If you extend a single
MAU, you connect the MAU 1 Ring Out to MAU 2 Ring In, MAU 2 Ring Out
to MAU 3 Ring In, etc. with MAU n Ring Out going back to MAU 1 Ring
In.
Token-Ring is not hard, it just used to be very expensive. Today you
can usually pick up all of the pieces you need to make fairly large
Token-Ring network for free or almost free.
Rick Ekblaw |
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William R. Walsh
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Auction: IBM PS/2 8580-111 Server w/ REPLY 100Mhz 24MB T |
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Hi!
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How do you go about setting up a TR network?
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The first thing you need are some TR cards. These usually aren't a
problem. Lots of companies besides IBM made them, and IBM had no
shortage of them either.
Next you need cabling. There are a few choices, and what you want to
look for depends upon your choice of...MAU.
A MAU is the Token Ring version of a "hub" or "switch" in the Ethernet
world. There are two major types--those with RJ45 connectors and those
with the so-called IBM Cabling System (ICS) connectors. You've got to
have an MAU. If you can find one, an RJ45 MAU is nice to have, because
it means you can use cheaper and easier to find Cat5/5e/6 patch
cables.
An IBM 8228 is a very common MAU. If you get one of these, you should
also get the setup tool. Both are discussed here:
http://www.gilanet.com/ohlandl/NIC/8228.html
You can get ICS to RJ45 adapters if you want/need them to go with your
MAU.
I use a North Hills LAT3371 MAU on my 16Mbit ring and an IBM 8226 on
my 4Mbit ring. Both of these are RJ45 MAUs.
(Note that if you use RJ45 cabling, that you must have cables which
are wired on all the pins! Cables rated for use with Gigabit Ethernet
will do fine--as it too uses all the pins in the cable.)
Hopefully at this point you've got cables and an MAU that are
compatible with one another. Now it's time to look at the card end of
things. If your cards have RJ45 connectors and you're using an RJ45
capable MAU, you're set. Just connect the cards to the MAU.
If your cards have DB9 connectors and the cables coming from your MAU
do not, you will need media filters. They show up on eBay and can be
had cheaply.
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I want to make adapters so I can convert the 9 pin to Cat5 cable
(any wiring diagrams for this),
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This would be a media filter. I'm sure wiring diagrams exist:
http://pinouts.ru/Net/tokring_rj45_pinout.shtml
http://www.gilanet.com/ohlandl/NIC/TR-cable.html#DB9_Pinout
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also wondering if I need a server or does peer to peer
work like with ethernet.
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Peer to peer networking works fine with TR, and you don't need to do
anything special to use it that way. You do not need a server.
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All the cards are 16/4. I also have a 16/4 card for
my HP 4si printer that would be cool to use.
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If you can run at 16 megabits, that is the way to go.
Things to do later on once you've got your basic network running:
1. Find an 8229 LAN bridge and connect your TR stuff to an existing
Evilnet network: http://12.203.82.104/mcastuff/8229bridge/
2. Hook up your printer. I have a LaserJet 4050 with an EIO Token Ring
JetDirect interface installed. It works very well.
3. Look for better/fancier TR adapters. Madge Networks made some very
nice TR cards known as the Smart Ringnode series. They are very high
performance adapters. Other companies produced "value added" TR gear
as well, such as Thomas Conrad:
http://12.203.82.104/mcastuff/tc4046/
4. Make a Token Trace and Performance (TAP) adapter and put it in a
system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHylz96t45Y
William |
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