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 Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Can't Format Hard Drive |
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:6a4j8vF35euf7U1@mid.individual.net
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage "nobody >" <usenetharvested@aol.com> wrote:
Arno Wagner wrote:
And what to I do if I need to put a drive on the far end
of the cable (because of distance), but need to have it
being th other type? Pull my hair?
Face it, CS is a bad hack.
Arno
Wait till you run into a "Y" Cable Select cable. The motherboard
connector is in the MIDDLE of the cable!
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Yes Babblebot, you always were dangerous.
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the ATA explicitely disallows this.
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No it doesn't. It just doesn't list it. Which makes it 'out of spec'.
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Are such cables out there?
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How else would you run into it, Babblebot?
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Can't Format Hard Drive |
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Arno Wagner wrote in news:6a64pqF36aufqU2@mid.individual.net
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Igor Batinic <_ime_._prezime_@email.htnet.hr> wrote:
Hi!
Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage "nobody >" <usenetharvested@aol.com> wrote:
Wait till you run into a "Y" Cable Select cable. The motherboard
connector is in the MIDDLE of the cable!
I think the ATA explicitely disallows this. Are such
cables out there?
Theoretically, "Y cable" is the same as ordinary cable.
Well, no. Not with regard to signal issues.
a ''y'' is pretty bad, as you can get echo amplification, at least if
both sides are the same length.
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Bwahaha.
Now you know why SCSI is such a bad system, thanks to the babblebot.
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A lot of brand name vendors used such a combination,
I have never seen one, but I will take your word on it.
the only thing to take care is that all connectors must be used
(as ATA specifies that both ends of the cable must be populated).
Ok, _that_ makes sense.
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No it doesn't, according to what you just said above.
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So a Y cable is a potential problem to the uninitiated.
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So is any cable, Babblebot.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Can't Format Hard Drive |
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 00:14:28 +0100, "Squeeze"
<rubberduck@duckies.au> wrote:
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One could as easily say the opposite, it doesn't force you
to physically move the drive
but rather move the jumper
What jumper.
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Maybe you need to reread the posts so you know what the heck
you are whining about?
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IF you really needed to,
but the whole point of CS is that you aren't supposed to
need move it at all.
Wrong.
If you remove a drive that was on the end of the
cable then the remaining drive needs to move there.
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I never said it didn't, but you are wrong in saying "wrong"
since the topic was jumpering and CS does what I wrote,
making it unnecessary to move the jumper if you are moving
the drive to the end of the cable.
Do try to read at least some part of a topic before replying
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Can't Format Hard Drive |
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:17:27 -0700, "nobody >"
<usenetharvested@aol.com> wrote:
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Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage "nobody >" <usenetharvested@aol.com> wrote:
Arno Wagner wrote:
And what to I do if I need to put a drive on the far end
of the cable (because of distance), but need to have it
being th other type? Pull my hair?
Face it, CS is a bad hack.
Arno
Wait till you run into a "Y" Cable Select cable. The motherboard
connector is in the MIDDLE of the cable!
I think the ATA explicitely disallows this. Are such
cables out there?
Arno
Yup. Found one in a Compaq "compact desktop", don't remember the model.
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You found one, but does it mean it started out that way
instead of someone changing it themselves to "tidy up"
things? I've seen a good number of Compaqs but never with
the cable(s) like that. |
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Can't Format Hard Drive |
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Hi!
kony wrote:
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:17:27 -0700, "nobody >"
usenetharvested@aol.com> wrote:
Yup. Found one in a Compaq "compact desktop", don't remember the model.
You found one, but does it mean it started out that way
instead of someone changing it themselves to "tidy up"
things? I've seen a good number of Compaqs but never with
the cable(s) like that.
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Some very popular IBM mini tower systems (IIRC, GL 300 series) had
implemented such a solution. Also, again IIRC, some HP systems.
Best regards,
Iggy |
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Can't Format Hard Drive |
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kony wrote in news:d5hu34ttat7fs1tegag15ih2pmvpodt8ul@4ax.com
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 00:14:28 +0100, "Squeeze" <rubberduck@duckies.au> wrote:
One could as easily say the opposite, it doesn't force you
to physically move the drive
but rather move the jumper
What jumper.
Maybe you need to reread the posts so you know what the heck
you are whining about?
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I see.
You saw your error but you are obviously not going to own up to it.
Thanks for making it clear that you are indeed the troll that delibe-
rately snips posts to the point where they become incomprehensible.
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IF you really needed to,
but the whole point of CS is that you aren't supposed to
need move it at all.
Wrong.
If you remove a drive that was on the end of the
cable then the remaining drive needs to move there.
I never said it didn't,
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Yes you did, just a paragraph above. Though as per usual with you it's quite
possible that your often mis-used word "it" can have several meanings.
What it: jumper, drive.
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but you are wrong in saying "wrong" since the topic
was jumpering
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Nope, drive moving and how that affects Master/Slave
with cable select. Or the other way around, if you like.
That's what you get for snipping too much.
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and CS does what I wrote,
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Does what exactly.
You write so many two-ways interpretable, barely
comprehensible or even utterly incomprehensible lines.
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making it unnecessary to move the jumper
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Du-uh, obviously it wouldn't be CS anymore if you moved the CS jumper.
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if you are moving the drive to the end of the cable.
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You didn't say anything about moving the drive.
Rather the opposite, that there is no need to move a drive
if the configuration changes. You got corrected on that.
And now you correct yourself on that.
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Do try to read at least some part of a topic
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Pot-kettle-black.
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before replying next time.
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Do try and not snip the post into oblivian.
Do try and read your posts whether they make any sense before you send. |
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: Re: Can't Format Hard Drive |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:34:44 +0100, "Squeeze"
<rubberduck@duckies.au> wrote:
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but the whole point of CS is that you aren't supposed to
need move it at all.
Wrong.
If you remove a drive that was on the end of the
cable then the remaining drive needs to move there.
I never said it didn't,
Yes you did, just a paragraph above.
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No, you can leave the drive and just swap the cable. That's
moving the cable not the drive... the difference is only one
of semantics perhaps but you're the one who got all caught
up in trivial things instead of sticking to the issue
discussed.
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Though as per usual with you it's quite
possible that your often mis-used word "it" can have several meanings.
What it: jumper, drive.
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It meant:
Cable connector unplugged and moved
Drive not moved
CS jumper not moved
Master or slave jumper has to be moved if set instead of CS
Perhaps you should back up and consider that since anyone
who has ever set up drives would find this obvious, that it
must have been that you failed to assume the obvious. This
much should have been clear because we were talking about
_differences_ in using CS vs master and slave, while moving
the cable is not a difference, is required in both cases. |
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Can't Format Hard Drive |
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kony wrote:
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:17:27 -0700, "nobody >"
usenetharvested@aol.com> wrote:
Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage "nobody >" <usenetharvested@aol.com> wrote:
Arno Wagner wrote:
And what to I do if I need to put a drive on the far end
of the cable (because of distance), but need to have it
being th other type? Pull my hair?
Face it, CS is a bad hack.
Arno
Wait till you run into a "Y" Cable Select cable. The motherboard
connector is in the MIDDLE of the cable!
I think the ATA explicitely disallows this. Are such
cables out there?
Arno
Yup. Found one in a Compaq "compact desktop", don't remember the model.
You found one, but does it mean it started out that way
instead of someone changing it themselves to "tidy up"
things? I've seen a good number of Compaqs but never with
the cable(s) like that.
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It was factory. It had the nice "pressed folds" that you can't duplicate
by hand. One end veered left (2 90s) for the hard drive, the other went
thru a Z fold to the optical drive. |
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